Indiana lawmakers rejected a push from President Trump to redraw congressional maps to favor Republicans. The vote is a major rebuke for Trump.
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President Trump continues to strain Republicans to redraw congressional maps and states throughout the nation. However in Indiana, Republican lawmakers voted in opposition to a plan to just do that. Our buddies on the NPR POLITICS PODCAST broke down what this all means. Here is senior political editor and correspondent Domenico Montanaro, senior White Home correspondent Tamara Keith and political correspondent Sarah McCammon.
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DOMENICO MONTANARO: I imply, it is most likely the most important pushback he is gotten inside his get together within the time that he is actually been on the political stage, I’d say, in lots of respects. There have been many Indiana Republicans who had been keen to associate with this plan to attempt to squeeze out two extra seats from Indiana to attempt to assist Republicans retain management of the home. That is what this was actually all about. However voters within the state simply did not need it. They’d seen important pushback. A whole lot of these lawmakers had been receiving threats as nicely from the correct and nonetheless rejected what was being proposed.
TAMARA KEITH: Individuals had been doxed. Individuals had pizza present up at their dwelling. They’d swatting. There have been massive protests organized by allies of President Trump on the state capitol. They had been beneath intense strain, they usually did not prefer it. State Senator Spencer Deere is amongst those that voted in opposition to it.
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SPENCER DEERY: And so long as I’ve breath, I’ll use my voice to withstand a federal authorities that makes an attempt to bully, direct and management this state or any state. Giving the federal authorities extra energy isn’t conservative.
KEITH: And that is a federalism argument, proper? It is saying, we are the state of Indiana. We should always have the ability to determine what we need to do. And the president and the speaker of the Home and the vice chairman and the entire people who find themselves lobbying on this should not inform us what to do.
SARAH MCCAMMON: President Trump is in a weak place. His ballot numbers are down. He needs extra Republicans in Congress for the remainder of his time period. And but right here was a bunch of Republicans who had been keen to vote in opposition to it.
MONTANARO: I do suppose that it is fascinating nationally, contemplating this pushback that Trump has gotten, and perhaps he would not get that sort of pushback if he was extra fashionable. The actual fact is, Trump is on the Nader of his reputation within the second time period. He is within the 30s, in response to plenty of polls. Latest AP-NORC ballot, for instance, had him at 36% approval ranking, which was even decrease than our ballot was final month – the NPR/PBS Information/Marist ballot – and never by a lot, and he solely had a 31% approval ranking when it got here to dealing with of the financial system. So individuals are sort of, in some respects, wanting previous Trump, and I sort of surprise what that is going to imply extra broadly once we see Trump off the nationwide stage and kind of that, you already know, large piece of the dam, the massive brick within the dam is eliminated.
KEITH: President Trump used the very best leverage that he is had all through his political profession, which is to say, In case you cross me, in case you do not do the factor that I need you to do, then I will main you – I will assist another person to run in opposition to you within the Republican main, and I am so omnipotent that you’ll lose your job. And 21 Senate Republicans within the state of Indiana stated, all proper, you possibly can strive. It has labored previously. The query is whether or not that energy, that skill to strike concern in members of his personal get together is waning as a result of he’s definitionally a lame duck.
MCCAMMON: President Trump likes to win. This was a giant loss for him. What’s he saying about it?
KEITH: Oh, he’s saying the factor that he says when he loses, which is, oh, you already know, I did not actually care that a lot.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Effectively, we received each different state. That is the one state – it is humorous ‘trigger I received Indiana all thrice by a landslide, and I wasn’t engaged on it very arduous. Would have been good – I believe we might have picked up two seats if we did that.
KEITH: Oh, no, he was engaged on it very arduous. The speaker of the Home was engaged on it very arduous. The vice chairman was engaged on it very arduous. And President Trump has stated, in no unsure phrases, that he believes the destiny of his presidency, the destiny of the nation is on the road as a result of if Republicans lose management of the Home of Representatives, which appears totally potential, then he’ll have a depressing final two years in workplace.
MONTANARO: Republicans have a extremely, actually slim majority within the Home, only a few seats greater than Democrats. So each seat right here goes to matter. So to say, I wasn’t that centered on these two seats, that is simply not the case.
I imply, they need each single seat that they probably can get to have the ability to have the benefit to construct in some cushion as a result of proper now, Democrats have a major benefit. The wind is totally at their backs. And they’re additionally redistricting, doing this mid-decade redrawing, in locations like California, probably Virginia, which might offset plenty of these Republican-pushed modifications.
State like Louisiana and Florida, that are managed by Republicans, are going to attempt to squeeze out some extra seats on their very own. However once more, these may very well be offset by Virginia whereas California offsets Texas, and we’re speaking about all this work, hundreds of thousands of {dollars} spent, for nothing actually.
MCCAMMON: For a wash, probably.
MONTANARO: Proper.
KEITH: And let me simply add the opposite issue right here, which is, whenever you sit down that’s actually tremendous protected and also you draw it to make two seats, neither of them are as tremendous protected as earlier than.
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